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J Thorac Cardiovasc Surg 2004;128:892-899
© 2004 The American Association for Thoracic Surgery
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a Department of Nuclear Medicine, University Hospital Homburg, Homburg/Saar, Germany
b Department of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery, University Hospital Homburg, Homburg/Saar, Germany
c Department of Internal Medicine V (Pneumology), University Hospital Homburg, Homburg/Saar, Germany
d Institute of Medical Biometrics, Epidemiology, and Medical Informatics, University Hospital Homburg, Homburg/Saar, Germany
Read at the Eighty-fourth Annual Meeting of The American Association for Thoracic Surgery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, April 25-28, 2004.
Received for publication April 20, 2004; revisions received July 6, 2004; accepted for publication July 13, 2004. * Address for reprints: Thomas P. Graeter, MD, Department of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery, University Hospital Homburg, D-66421 Homburg/Saar, Germany (E-mail: Thomas.Graeter{at}uniklinik-saarland.de).
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METHODS: Forty-seven patients with locally advanced nonsmall cell lung cancer accepted for resection after induction therapy underwent FDG-PET. Images were interpreted visually for mediastinal nodal status and metastatic spread. The FDG accumulation in the tumor site was measured by using the maximum standardized uptake value.
RESULTS: Unexpected metastases were detected by means of FDG-PET in 9 patients. Surgical intervention was not performed in 8 patients with confirmed metastases. The rate of unexpected findings increased from complete radiologic remission (0%) over partial remission (9%) to no change (67%). The standardized uptake value was higher in tumors with (n = 26) than in those without (n = 11) histologic proof of viability (6.4 ± 5.3 vs 2.9 ± 1.6, P = .006). All patients with standardized uptake values of greater than 5.8 had viable tumors. Sensitivity, specificity, and negative predictive value were 81%, 64%, and 58% for tumor viability and 50%, 88%, and 85% for persistent mediastinal disease. Median survival after resection was greater than 56 months for patients with tumor standardized uptake values of less than 4 and 19 months for patients with standardized uptake values of 4 or greater (P < .001).
CONCLUSION: FDG-PET helps in the selection of patients for resection after induction therapy. It can be used to detect unexpected distant metastases, especially after poor response to induction therapy. Its high negative predictive value in mediastinal restaging allows for omission of repeat mediastinoscopy. Tumor standardized uptake value after induction is a prognostic factor.
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Although approximately one third of patients with lung cancer can be treated with primary resection, the majority present in an advanced stage. Induction therapy with combinations of chemotherapy and radiotherapy has been proved to be efficient in locally advanced stages of nonsmall cell lung cancer (NSCLC). It appears to improve prognosis, and different protocols are currently being investigated in prospective trials.1
The response to neoadjuvant therapy is commonly assessed by means of anatomic imaging to document the change in size of malignant lesions. This fails to provide information on the biologic behavior of residual masses (eg, tumor viability). In laboratory studies the response to chemotherapy or radiotherapy was detected earlier on the basis of changes in glucose metabolism rather than on the basis of size regression.2
Positron emission tomography (PET) with F-18-fluorodeoxyglucose (FDG) visualizes the glucose metabolism in vivo and is increasingly used in oncologic staging.3 The role of FDG-PET has been established in the initial staging of lung cancer.4-6
Until now, only limited data were published on the performance of FDG-PET in patients with lung cancer after induction therapy. Previous studies reported the potential ability of FDG-PET to detect residual tumor viability,7-11 persistent mediastinal disease,7-9,11,12 and distant metastases.8 For the selection of patients about to undergo resection after induction, it is essential to exclude distant metastases. To our knowledge, there are no published data on the rate of unexpected distant metastases detected by means of FDG-PET for restaging. Even if FDG-PET provides prognostic information after initiation of palliative chemotherapy13 or completion of conformal (chemo)radiotherapy,14,15 there are no reports on the prognostic relevance of the preoperative FDG uptake in the residual tumor after induction therapy of NSCLC.
Thus, we investigated the value of FDG-PET after completion of induction therapy. We did a comparison with respect to unexpected distant metastases, viability of the residual tumor, accuracy of nodal restaging, and postoperative survival.
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The patients' median age was 60 years (range, 37-77 years). Initial stages were IIB (T3 N0, n = 3), IIIA (T1-3 N2, n = 10) and IIIB (n = 34) defined by T2-3 N3 (n = 9), or T4 (n = 25). Histology of the tumor was squamous cell carcinoma (n = 24), adenocarcinoma (n = 20), large cell carcinoma (n = 1), mucoepidermoid carcinoma (n = 1), and unspecified NSCLC (n = 1).
All patients underwent initial staging procedures according to current German recommendations,16 including anterior cervical mediastinoscopy in 16 patients with suspected mediastinal lymph node metastases. In 34 cases FDG-PET imaging had been performed before therapy in the initial staging.
Tumor-specific therapy consisted of platinum-based cytostatic chemotherapy in all but 1 patient with additional irradiation of the tumor site and involved the mediastinum in 33 patients (45-68 Gy, 1-1.5 Gy/d, in 19 patients; 32 Gy, 2 x 2 Gy/d, in 14 patients). One patient with initial stage T3 pN0 M0 disease received preoperative irradiation without chemotherapy (48.6 Gy).
Assessment of tumor response
Treatment response of the primary tumor was documented by means of computed tomographic (CT) imaging and, with invaded airways, bronchoscopy after completion of the induction therapy by using World Health Organization criteria for definition of complete response, partial response, no change, and progressive disease. By means of conventional staging, 3 patients had a complete response, 35 had a partial response, and 9 had no change.
PET imaging
All patients had whole-body FDG-PET imaging within a median of 5 weeks (range, 2-11 weeks) after completion of induction therapy. After overnight fasting, the blood glucose level was determined to ascertain a level of less than 160 mg/dL. The patients then received 250 MBq (range, 160-350 MBq) of 2-deoxy-2-[F-18]fluoro-D-glucose (FDG purchased from Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe, Germany, or f-con, Rendsburg, Germany). Imaging started 90 minutes after injection and was performed as previously reported.17 The images were visually interpreted for uptake in the primary tumor and mediastinal lymph nodes and for evidence of metastatic spread. Two board-certified nuclear medicine physicians analyzed film documentations in all 3 planes and maximum intensity projections in cine mode. Semiquantitative evaluation was based on standardized uptake values (SUVs) calculated as the ratio of measured activity concentration over an assumed homogenous distribution of the applied radioactivity in the whole body. The peak SUV in the tumor site was measured by using a region-of-interest technique with the standard image analysis software of the PET scanner (ECAT version 7.2). For evaluation of the mediastinal lymph nodes, circular regions of interest with a diameter of 1 cm were defined in the hilar and mediastinal lymph node stations according to the method of Mountain and Dresler,18 and the peak SUV was measured. Lesions with SUVs of greater than 2.5 were considered malignant because this value usually exceeds the normal level in the mediastinal blood pool.19
Surgical intervention
In 37 patients resection and systematic lymph node dissection was performed after induction therapy within a median of 2 weeks (range, 1-6 weeks) after the FDG-PET scan. A typical lobectomy was performed in 17 patients, and 3 patients underwent lobectomy and chest wall resection. A sleeve lobectomy was required in 12 patients, and 3 had a bronchovascular sleeve resection, reflecting our policy of avoidance of pneumonectomy in central tumors.20 Pneumonectomy was necessary in 2 patients. All of these procedures were combined with a systematic lymphadenectomy. Routine pathologic examination of the surgical specimens was performed according to current recommendations.21
Statistics
Numerical values are reported as medians with ranges and are compared between groups by the Wilcoxon U test. Proportions are reported as percentages with 95% confidence intervals (95% CIs). The frequency of unexpected distant metastases for patients with no change, a partial response, and no change was compared by using the Somers D test. The difference in patients with and without a previous PET scan was analyzed with the Fisher exact test. Contingency tables of true-negative, false-negative, true-positive, and false-positive findings have been constructed for the detection of expected metastases, the viability of residual tumor, and lymph node staging. Diagnostic performance parameters (sensitivity, specificity, accuracy, negative predictive value [NPV], and positive predictive value) were derived from these contingency tables. The McNemar test was used to compare diagnostic performance parameters between different diagnostic modalities.
Survival data were obtained from follow-up contacts or from telephone interviews of the patients' local physicians. The observation period ended in December 2003. Survival was analyzed for patients without distant metastases who underwent resection. Survival time was calculated with the Kaplan-Meier method. Survival differences between groups were compared by using the log-rank test.
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In the 2 patients with complete response (determined by conventional imaging criteria), no viable tumor cells were found in the specimen. Two of 3 patients with no change had viable tumor cells. In patients with a partial response, 24 had residual tumor cells, and in 8 patients no viable tumor was found. Overall, tumor viability was seen in the specimens in 26 of 37 surgical patients. In 11 patients there was no histologic proof of a viable tumor.
The glucose metabolism in viable residual tumors was higher (P = .006) than in tumors without histologic proof of viable cells (Table 1). All primary tumors with an SUV of 5.8 or more contained viable tumor cells. PET findings were false negative in 5 instances of microscopic tumor residual tumor (n = 4) and bronchioloalveolar carcinoma (n = 1). False-positive PET findings occurred after irradiation (n = 3) or for a brief period (17 days) after the last chemotherapy cycle (n = 1). Diagnostic test parameters for viability with an SUV threshold of 2.5 were a sensitivity of 81% (95% CI, 61%-93%), a specificity of 64% (95% CI, 31%-89%), an accuracy of 76% (95% CI, 59%-88%), a positive predictive value of 84% (95% CI, 64%-95%), and an NPV of 58% (95% CI, 28%-85%).
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The patient-based analysis showed that visual interpretation of FDG-PET correctly detected residual mediastinal disease in 4 patients or excluded residual mediastinal disease in 22 patients. In 4 patients the presence of solitary mediastinal lymph node involvement was missed, and false-positive findings occurred in 3 patients. Two patients were excluded from analysis because of incomplete mediastinal lymph node biopsies not covering PET-positive contralateral nodes. The diagnostic test parameters for the patient-based analysis and for qualitative and quantitative nodal analysis are summarized in Table 2. Although we observed no difference in the sensitivities of quantitative nodal analysis, the specificity of visual interpretation is higher than that of quantitative analysis of lymph node involvement by means of FDG-PET (McNemar test, P = .001).
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The reevaluation of tumor viability and metastatic spread remains a challenge for anatomic imaging because the reduction of tumor size, which does not occur immediately after cell death, is used as a diagnostic criterion. The use of surgical mediastinal restaging by means of repeat mediastinoscopy is limited because it remains incomplete in up to 40% of patients because of fibrosis and adhesions.22
FDG-PET has been shown to be the most accurate noninvasive imaging modality in the initial staging of NSCLC.4 The role of PET in the restaging of NSCLC is not yet clear. Several clinical studies focusing on single aspects of PET have been published.7-14 Conflicting data have been published regarding sensitivity and specificity in mediastinal lymph node involvement,7-9,11,12 and the prognostic effect of PET results is unclear.
One important ability of FDG-PET is the detection of unexpected distant metastases. Consistent with the study of Akhurst and colleagues,8 we were able to detect all distant metastases after induction therapy. Unexpected metastases were present in 17% of our patients, some of them at unusual sites (eg, soft tissue, spleen, and thoracic wall lymph node). These are not covered by recommended imaging procedures16 or easily missed on routine CT scan interpretation.
It might be argued that these metastases had been present already before induction treatment and should have been detected during pretreatment PET scanning. We did not perform a PET investigation in all patients before induction, but there was no difference in the frequency of unexpected metastases between patients with or without an initial PET scan. Therefore the lesions might be of more recent origin. The incidence of 17% in our cohort is similar to the FDG-PET results of unexpected distant metastases in 20% of patients with NSCLC to undergo radical radiotherapy.23 The rate has been shown to increase with pre-PET clinical stage from 8% for stage I through 18% for stage II to 24% for stage III.23 Similarly, we observed an increasing frequency of distant metastases with poor tumor response, as assessed on the basis of conventional size criteria. This reached an incidence of 67% in patients with a clinical response of no change.
Regarding the assessment of tumor viability, our results are in line with previous reports on FDG uptake after induction therapy of NSCLC.7-9,11 Akhurst and colleagues8 reported a sensitivity of 90% and a specificity of 67% for the detection of tumor viability by means of FDG-PET. Similarly, Cerfolio and coworkers9 found corresponding values of 97% and 100%, and Ryu and associates7 documented values of 88% and 67%. In the most recent report a sensitivity of only 58% and a specificity of 100% are published for FDG-PET performed 2 weeks after the completion of chemotherapy.11
In our series we mainly observed false-positive findings after radiotherapy. Irradiation is well known to induce such changes.24 FDG-PET reading was compared with a recent CT image to minimize the chance of misinterpretation. On the other hand, we saw false-negative findings, primarily in small tumors and bronchioloalveolar carcinoma. Similar observations have been published for the initial evaluation of lung lesions.4 The sensitivity of FDG-PET in restaging is limited by the size of malignant tissue required for detection, whereas histologically, the existence of only a single tumor cell can be regarded as a sign of viability.
For mediastinal restaging, we analyzed the lymph node stations by means of visual interpretation, as well as quantitative measurement. The specificity of visual interpretation was higher than that of quantitative analysis, without any difference in sensitivity. This can be explained by the fact that small deviations in mediastinal blood pool radioactivity can exceed the SUV threshold of 2.5, which can lead to false-positive findings. The visual analysis additionally uses the shape of activity distribution, interpreting lesions of focally increased FDG uptake as malignant.
In a previous investigation on FDG-PET and mediastinoscopy during initial staging of lung cancer, we found a median SUV of 7.3 (range, 1.6-18.9) in metastatic mediastinal lymph nodes.17 This was higher than the SUV in lymph node metastases after induction therapy in this study (median SUV, 3.8; range, 2.0-8.9; P = .046). The difference might be due to decreased metabolism or the amount of malignant tissue. These factors might also explain the reduced sensitivity of PET.
Our results in mediastinal restaging by means of FDG-PET are similar in diagnostic performance to the data published by Akhurst and colleagues8 and Ryu and associates.7 We cannot confirm the observation of Cerfolio and coworkers9 that PET results are ideal for the subgroup of paratracheal lymph nodes because we observed 2 false-negative findings in the paratracheal and 2 false-negative findings in the infracarinal stations. Nevertheless, the overall diagnostic performance of their study compares with that of ours.
The results of PET have to be compared with those published for repeat mediastinoscopy. After initial mediastinoscopy and induction treatment, this procedure can be technically difficult. Because of inflammatory changes, lymph nodes might be difficult to locate.25,26 Repeat mediastinoscopy has been shown to result in a sensitivity of only 50% after induction therapy of stage IIIB NSCLC.22 The NPV was reported to be 71%. This is similar to the 85% NPV of FDG-PET with respect to mediastinal lymph node metastases in our patient-based analysis.
FDG uptake in NSCLC has been identified as a prognostic parameter at initial presentation,6,27,28 early after the initiation of chemotherapy,13 during radiotherapy, or after completion of tumor treatment.14,29,30 Our analysis is the first to show that the preoperative FDG uptake in the residual tumor after induction is a prognostic parameter with a significant correlation to survival.
There are several potential limitations of our study in that it is a retrospective investigation, and the number of patients studied is limited. Because surgical treatment of stage III NSCLC is not standard treatment, the accrued patients were selected from ongoing studies. This explains a high proportion of individuals with initial stage IIIB disease and the use of different induction schemes.
In left-sided resections lymph node dissection only reached ipsilateral hilar and mediastinal nodes, so that there is no pathologic analysis of the contralateral lymph node stations.
The timing of the FDG-PET and the completion of induction varied between patients, with a median interval of 5 weeks and a range of 2 to 11 weeks. Presently, there are no systematic data available on patients with NSCLC to determine the optimal time to assess residual malignant tissue after induction therapy. The interval, however, might have an effect on sensitivity. Port and coworkers11 used an interval of 2 weeks after induction chemotherapy and found the lowest sensitivity of all studies in this field.
As a recommendation for the time point of repeat FDG-PET, we suggest an interval of at least 2 weeks after completion of induction therapy to achieve a sufficient sensitivity in the detection of residual viable tumor and to avoid inflammatory therapyinduced reactions.
FDG-PET could become the standard of care after induction therapy because it helps in the selection of patients for resection caused by the detection of unexpected distant metastases, especially in patients with poor response. Compared with initial staging, the sensitivity in the detection of the primary tumor and of lymph node metastases is slightly reduced. The high NPV of FDG-PET in mediastinal restaging justifies omission of repeat mediastinoscopy if the mediastinum is PET negative. After induction therapy, the preoperative FDG uptake in NSCLC provides a prognostic parameter.
Discussion
Dr Robert J. Cerfolio (Birmingham, Ala). This topic is both clinically important and relevant. I think that as general thoracic surgeons, we are going to see more and more patients who are undergoing neoadjuvant therapy, and we are going to be faced with the increasing challenge of choosing who is best brought to the surgical arena for attempted curative resection after therapy, and that decision is going to be based on what are relatively inaccurate restaging modalities. We do not believe the most recent article in The New England Journal of Medicine in January that showed that a very, very modest 5% increase in survival with adjuvant chemotherapy is going to swing the pendulum away from neoadjuvant therapy but rather toward more adjuvant therapy. Thus I think this article is important.
For time's sake, I am going to get right to my questions. I will give them to you one at a time. I have 3 sets of questions, but they are on just 3 basic topics. As you know, and you and I have talked about this, we have some data showing that the maximum SUV is an independent and better predictor of survival than the current TNM classification system for lung cancer. In addition, we have found that the percentage change in the maximum SUV on a repeat PET is a predictor of pathologic response, prognosis, and survival, with an 80% decrease in the maximum SUV after neoadjuvant therapy as a marker of complete pathologic response. In your article you examined the absolute value of the repeat PET with the SUV. Thirty-three of your 47 patients had an initial PET. Can you tell us whether you examined the percentage change in the maximum SUV, and did it correlate with the complete response rate, survival, or both?
Dr Graeter. Thank you for your kind remarks. We had a preinduction therapy PET in about 75% of the patients, and 25 of those 37 underwent operations. For those patients with nonviable tumors, the reduction was about 85%. We then compared those with a reduction of more than 80% and those with a reduction of less than 80%, but although the difference was about 40% in survival at 4 years, this did not reach a significant level.
Dr Cerfolio. Several reports have shown that a repeat PET scan can be difficult to interpret, especially if it is performed too soon after neoadjuvant radiotherapy, for example, within 2 or 3 weeks, and also that the higher the dose of the preoperative radiation, the more difficult it can be to interpret a repeat PET scan. Did you examine the accuracy of repeat PET scanning for different doses of radiotherapy, and can you tell us what you believe is the best time frame for performing a repeat PET scan after the completion of neoadjuvant therapy, especially radiotherapy?
Dr Graeter. All of these patients were acquired from ongoing induction therapy studies, and therefore they had a fairly uniform dose of between 50 and 55 Gy. Therefore the study was not really useful at differentiating whether 50 Gy is better than 55 Gy. But what we do know and what is published is that within the first 2 weeks, radiation leaves a lot of inflammatory changes, and that makes a PET scan very difficult to interpret. After 4 weeks, we hardly see any problems with that.
Dr Cerfolio. Do you recommend 4 weeks?
Dr Graeter. We recommend 4 weeks. Also, we had 2 groups, one with radiation and one with chemotherapy only, and radiation did not make any difference in the sensitivity parameters later on after 4 weeks.
Dr Cerfolio. My final question concerns the high number of patients with stage IIIB disease in this article, and I want to specifically focus on those who had N3 disease. It is a little different than most of our manuscripts would be. Many of us believe that recalcitrant N2 or N3 disease is a relative contraindication for thoracotomy and resection, as Dr Miller mentioned in the previous paper. Do you share this opinion, and if you do, how do you test for recalcitrant N3 disease? Do you do repeat mediastinoscopy, repeat endoscopic ultrasonography, or repeat video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery, or was the repeat PET scan and the change in the maximum SUV taken as the gospel truth? If so, then the contralateral lymph node really was never pathologically examined because you were in a different chest.
Dr Graeter. This is a difficult question. Repeat mediastinoscopy is associated with a sensitivity of about 50% and an NPV that is equally poor, as published in the Annals about 2 years ago. We believe that in PET, if we have a low SUV in the contralateral lymph node and we do not have any sign of progressive disease, we will go ahead and operate.
Dr Mark J. Krasna (Baltimore, Md). Just to follow up on Dr Cerfolio's point, it would seem to me at this point premature to preclude somebody from undergoing surgical intervention if a PET scan was positive unless you proved it was positive pathologically. I would like to reiterate that I think it would also be premature to assume in somebody with an N3 tumor that it is okay to go ahead and do the resection because their PET results are now negative. As you showed, there are a significant number of false-negative and false-positive results. In those 2 scenarios I think you need to take that into consideration. Our policy has been to do contralateral video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery for those patients who have suspected N3 disease with an excellent yield. If you do not want to do a remediastinoscopy on those patients who have a persistent positive or suspicious spot on the PET scan, one should consider whether you want to actually restage that patient surgically before going ahead with a resection. Again, the pictures were beautiful, but if you have one single dot left out of those four, you need to make sure that that is the one you are going to sample. If you just sample the higher one or the lower one and that was the negative one, you might be missing the important finding.
My last comment goes to an interesting paper that came out last year from Europe on esophageal cancer. I wonder whether you have had any experience doing a repeat PET scan after the first cycle of chemotherapy in patients with neoadjuvant chemotherapy for esophageal cancer. This ended up being a predictor in that institution for outcome and complete pathologic response rate. Because not all of your patients had a PET pretreatment, did any of them have another PET scan before that final one, or was it just one at the very end?
Dr Graeter. For this analysis, we only used postinduction therapy PET scanning, but we did a multivariate analysis with TNM stage, type of tumor, radiation, yes, no, everything you can think of, and the only thing that really came out of it significantly was an SUV of greater than or less than 4 as a prognostic parameter for this group. In addition to your comment, if a PET scan is positive, we think that you always have to perform a biopsy before you take the next step. That is very important.
Dr Raphael Bueno (Boston, Mass). Our distribution of lung cancers in North America is a little different than in Europe in that you have more squamous carcinomas and we have more adenocarcinomas. Has the incorrect PET prediction that you have reported been mostly in any particular subtype of lung cancer, or were the patient numbers insufficient to determine that issue?
Dr Graeter. Actually, the only type we really have problems with is bronchoalveolar carcinoma, and that is well known for the primary staging, too.
Dr Nasser K. Altorki (New York, NY). My colleagues and I have just recently looked at the value of PET after induction chemotherapy and found that the NPV was very poor. The obvious concern here is that a negative PET scan after induction chemotherapy does not necessarily equal a complete pathologic response, yet that is precisely how it is generally perceived in the radiation and medical oncology worlds. I was wondering whether you found that the NPV differed whether your therapy was preoperative chemotherapy or preoperative chemoradiation. Did you look at that?
Dr Graeter. No, I did not. The values were almost the same. That is why I did not bring them up here. There was not much difference.
Dr David J. Sugarbaker (Boston, Mass). We have been interested at the Brigham in the ability to restage surgically patients treated with induction therapy, and there was a trial published some years ago from the CALGB, one of our clinical trials groups, that was a trial of patients with positive IIIA disease determined by means of mediastinoscopy, induction chemotherapy only, followed by surgical intervention, and when we analyzed the data, the patients who were living a long time were those who had been downstaged, whose mediastinal nodes once proved positive by means of biopsy had now become negative. We thought that was a marker of the biologic response of that tumor to the chemotherapy. That was about 30% of the patients who had been downstaged with this particular chemotherapy regimen, and therefore the majority had not been. I wonder whether you could comment on the role of radiotherapy as a potential confounder of the interpretation of mediastinal nodes after induction therapy in the use of PET in the way that you have described.
Dr Graeter. Radiation therapy did not have any influence on the outcome, irrespective of whether patients received radiation therapy. It also did not matter whether patients had any viable tumor left.
Dr Sugarbaker. I am not talking about the primary tumor. I am talking about the lymph nodes, the mediastinal nodes. Therefore, it did not matter in terms of prognosis whether there was residual tumor in the mediastinal nodes, is that what you said?
Dr Graeter. I was talking about the primary tumor right now.
Dr Sugarbaker. Okay.
Dr Graeter. The lymph nodes, it does matter, but again, it did not come out as a significant prognostic factor in this smaller group.
Dr Bueno. What was the long-term survival in the IIIB group?
Dr Graeter. It was about 65% if the SUV was less than 4.
Dr Bueno. But how long? What is the median survival?
Dr Graeter. For the 16 patients that had SUVs of less than 4, it was 57 months. For the IIIB group, it was about 55.
Dr Cerfolio. I will just make a comment. If Dr Miller at the Southern accepts our abstract, we have some data that the amount of radiation does indeed make a difference, and we do not predict the mediastinal lymph nodes as well when we are at 60 Gy or greater, but at 45 Gy we do, and we do not predict them as well if we do a second PET scan within 3 weeks of the completion of radiation. Therefore we think the dose does make it more difficult, but again, that is a small series.
Dr Sugarbaker. Micrometastatic disease is what kills these patients, you know, distant disease. Therefore, if you sterilize the mediastinum, then the use of the mediastinal nodes reverting to negative as an indicator or sentinel of the effectiveness of chemotherapy on distant micrometastatic disease is gone. Then everybody looks like they are downstaged, but then you are still operating on the wrong patients because the majority of patients with IIIA and IIIB disease die of distant disease. That was the point.
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